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sinjinh1 ([personal profile] sinjinh1) wrote2010-01-27 04:04 pm
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What constitutes an invasion of privacy?

I'm on the official John Barrowman mailing list and was disturbed by something I saw there.  Apparently, I could have read this wrong, someone saw John walking his dogs near his home and followed him home.  The person in question said she didn't stand there and snap pictures and that there were no signs that said keep out. From the tone of her post, it sounds like she's going to go back and stare in his backyard again unless he expressly says not to.  That's borderline stalker behavior.

Let me get this off my chest, and then you guys on my flist can tell me I'm wrong.  It's none of my business where a celebrity I like lives. If I happen to run into them on the street, or in a store, that's one thing. I've run into celebrities a few times when I worked at Barnes and Noble. I was always polite and professional knowing that they were there shopping and not there for me to drool over or harrass for an autograph. If I bumped into someone on the street or in a restauraunt, I would gauge the situation to see if it was an apporpirate time for asking for an autograph. 

At no time would I ever follow someone home and decide that now that I know where they live it's okay to keep going by their house whenever I feel like it.  Someone on the Barrowman list pointed out that John's partner Scott did not ask for people to start following him around just because the man he loves is famous. What if one of their nieces or nephews happened to be visiting? Just because Uncle John is a celebrity is no reason for their privacy to be invaded. And it is also an invasion of John's privacy.

Bottom line, public situations are one thing. If you want to ask someone for an autograph when you run into them on the street, at a store, in a restuaurant, whatever, that's your choice. Following them home is stepping across a fine line. 

[identity profile] killedmedead.livejournal.com 2010-01-27 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)

euuuuuuuuuuuuuuum.... *shocked*

Bottom line, public situations are one thing. If you want to ask someone for an autograph when you run into them on the street, at a store, in a restuaurant, whatever, that's your choice. Following them home is stepping across a fine line.

Amen~

*still in shock*

what gave her the right to just deside that his private life was any of her business? *shakes head*

it's these kind of fangirls which gives us other fangirl a bad reputation... *sigh*

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-27 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I know. Very scary. I can't believe she followed him home. And was all like he didn't have any signs up that say stay away. So what? He shouldn't have to at his own home!

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-27 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Proves there are crazy people out there.

On a lighter note, I love your icon!

[identity profile] killedmedead.livejournal.com 2010-01-27 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)

*icon love ftw* ;D *g*

[identity profile] khek.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Not only that, but posting signs would just point out to people passing that someone famous or important lives on that property, so it would further invade their privacy.

There are a lot of people who feel entitled to whatever they want; I don't get where it comes from, or why they think that merely existing justifies whatever they want. It doesn't say much for where our society is going.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Between people like this and the tabloids, it's a wonder any one wants to still be a performer. It is getting crazier every year.

[identity profile] snufflesdbear.livejournal.com 2010-01-27 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
that is beyond scarey. So very, very, very wrong.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-27 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like she thinks he is her property because she's his fan. And that it should be okay cause she didn't stand there and take pictures.

[identity profile] amdavisuk.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry for the drive by post, when I read this, all I could think is WTF is she thinking. JB needs to get a restraining order against her. I hope someone's pointed out that's stalking and probably trespassing as well.

* is totally shocked * Really inappropriate behavior and she wouldn't like it doing to her.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Drive by posts are allowed.

I don't know what she's thinking. It's crazy. I'm not sure what the laws are in the UK and what he would have to do to keep her away. Hopefully the reaction she got on the list will help clue her in that it's not appropriate behavior.

[identity profile] catsdownunder.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
Definitely not what anyone would want to happen to them, celebrity or not.

Creepy and scarey.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah tell me about it.

[identity profile] jensenrick.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this refreshing breath of sanity.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Sanity is in short supply these days.

[identity profile] kingbantam.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Sadly she's not the only one doing it either. I heard of at least 3 othes that did the same/similar things over the last weekend (and goodness knows if others are doing it too). Apparently it shows dedication!!

Personally I think a restraining order is needed. It would be nice if people who consider themselves fans could be respectful of the celebrity they follow. How would they feel if people came and stared at their back garden?

Elememnts of the Barrowfen went particularly batshit all round last weekend mind you. Its all quite unpleasnat at times and a shame for the bulk of the fans who do behave.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a fine line between dedication and stalking.

[identity profile] jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The Post you are referring to says the following -----
I went to Sully on Monday morning. I saw two of John's dogs running around
outside. I did not go there hoping to see him, just to see where he lived. I did
not invade his or Scott's privacy. I walked by and then went back to Cardiff.

It does not say she saw John himself or followed him home. She just walked along the Public footpath that runs along the back of his property.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah but she went to the footpath because she knew it ran behind his house and she said she would go back again. Public footpath or not, if it runs by his property and you're going on it to see his house, and maybe even him and Scott, it is an invasion of privacy. How would you like it if someone was standing on a footpath or across the street from your house just to see where you lived? I would feel creeped out.

Edited 2010-01-28 15:50 (UTC)

[identity profile] jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
You are again reading into comments what is not there. I never said that I thought going there specifically to see John and Scott and no other reason was correct behavior. I merely said that your statement that she followed John home was incorrect.

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I did say in my original post that I could have read what she said wrong.

[identity profile] jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
As for standing across the street and looking at someone's house--well--we have 7 kids and 5 of them are under 4 including Triplets, and the other day 3 folk I didn't know were standing outside our house. I was just taking the 5 youngest out and they stopped me and asked all about my kids.

Also, the other day in town I was out with a friend and her 2 kids who are both under 4 as well and 2 Japanese Tourists took our photos! I was quite pleased because they then gave the kids some money!!

[identity profile] sinjinh1.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
And we may have to agree to disagree on the whole issue.

[identity profile] jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
My opinion is that if someone in the Public View wants to have total privacy it is a bit idiotic to then buy a Bungalow that has only a very low fence around it and which backs onto a Public footpath. Evidently Sully folk all walk their Dogs there and it has a lovely view across the water.

[identity profile] jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
That is the end of that discussion.